Welcome visitors from China! We would love to have some information about chongqed.org and the wiki spam problem translated to Chinese. Can you help?
I would like to help to translate some info into Chinese :) . I am a software engineer from China and I would do something for WiKi?. My Email: dennis.duan_at_gmail.com – Dennis.
Hi Dennis!
It's very good to hear from you. We might have to discuss what should be translated to Chinese first. But my idea is to translate the chongqing pages that we link the spammers' keywords to. For example: http://spammers.chongqed.org/emmss
I don't know anything about Chinese grammars, but hopefully we can get a Chinese version that can be filled in by our scripts (with the keywords and the spammer's domain as variables).
Generally, I think that it would be very good to have lots and lots of information about wikis, blogs, and the according spam available in Chinese. E.g., it would be nice if we could link to Chinese translations of the wikipedia pages on link spam, blog spam, and spamdexing.
– Manni - 2004-11-29 10:55
Yes this is a quick way any chinese speakers can help. We need to know the URL for the article on 'Link Spam' in the chinese wikipedia. That would immediately provide us with a link we can refer chinese people to. (if indeed the article has been written in chinese at all)
The english versions of these wikipedia articles should be tied to chinese versions using wikipedia's inter-language links mechanism. I posted a request for this on Talk:Link_spam. – Halz - 2005-05-25 08:45 UTC
Hello, I'm a french CS student in China, can I be of use around here ? I don't know of any chinese spam-busters, but maybe I can be useful for language-related issues. The text in those examples are data recovery, hard disk recovery (So, maybe they should be two seperate links instead of only one), hard disk fixing and raid data recovery.. Maybe these pages should point to an explanation page in chinese (or a simple message in chinese asking a chongqed victim to help us and translate that information into chinese).
After all, it seems that chinese surfers are a big target, so they're big victims and should be eager to fight spam. I'll ask around see if chinese students know of any antispam stuff around. – EmileKroeger
Emile! It would be really cool if we could offer ChineseTranslations of our chongqing pages. Don't worry, I'm not talking about translating every bit of chongqed.org, but if we could include some Chinese text on links like the above, that would be a great improvement. You know, just one or two praragraphs about why spamming wikis is a bad thing and why you shouldn't do business with a spammer. --Manni
I'll try to write sometihng explaining roughly what chonqed is in chinese, something that can be put on the appropriate pages. But this would probably need cooperation of chinese people interested in fighting spam. This may prove interesting. Anyway, off to bed ! - EmileKroeger
I really would like to know what gets discussed in these two threads on some forum: 1 and 2. Are these spammers or spam-fighters or something completely different? --Manni
I looked at those links, it's clearly a spammer's nest, I'll probably go back to reading it, I don't have the time now (It's past 3 in the morning). The forum titles are "Google Pagerank" and "Search Engine Research". In it I read people recommending software, com,plaining about why their page didn't go up, offereing services (money per pagerank) … clearly a place whose very soil is penetrated by the nefarious ramifications of Pure Evil. In link number two, it's basically "look what I found ! (list of banned spam stuff from a wiki)" - "well at least my site isn't in the list". I haven't read all in link number one, basically someone's saying something about wikis and pagerank (so it must be Evil), and gets replies of "wtf is a wiki ?". I'll go read that when my brain works. They have a link to a nice page in chinese presenting wikis, the wikipedia, etc. I'll read that too. (That may be a good link to put on the chinese version of chonqued, provided it says that wikis are a good thing and isn't just a manual on how to spam them ^^ I don't think it is) - EmileKroeger
Very interesting, Emile. Thanks for the info. Take your time; there is no need to hurry. Although I must say that I'm anxious to find out more about our Chinese 'friends'. "the nefarious ramifications of Pure Evil" I'll have to remember that one! – Manni
Short translation of 1 (approximative, I probably misunderstod a couple of parts, and am writing this from memory, it's bedtime again ^^) :
Hmm, so webmasters are warned not to trust spammers that rely on wikis, because they give temporary pagerank only (so you get burned). If chongqed has enough success, this argument could become "don't get your site promoted by people who'd get chongqed angry at them".
Anyway, for the chinese texts, I'm looking for chinese antispammers before I try writing something myself, my chinese is bad and I still do a whole lot of mistakes, so the writing of me is maybe readed a little bit like this way for chinese.– EmileKroeger
Thanks for the translations. They may not be perfect, but its far better than we had before. From your translation is seems like they understand being chongqed well. I wonder if any of them has been chongqed. One thing they suggest, spamming themselves with other people's sites won't work. We research sites we add to the chongqed database to prevent accidently including non-spammers or faked spam. We already get fishy submissions that we don't chongq. Thats why we don't add a lot of sites to the database all the time. It takes time to confirm they are spammers and actually connected somehow to the site they are spamming for. We would rather be slow than be wrong. – Joe
Interesting stuff again. But if they start to joe-job each other, we have absolutely no way of telling a joe-job from a regular spam. If SEO super hero A starts spamming for B to get B chongqed while B would never spam a wiki, we are in trouble. OTOH, those guys all seem to be born spammers. – Manni
It would be hard to tell the difference, but I don't think it would be impossible. It may be possible to get a couple to slip through, which we will do what we can to avoid and fix it if it happens (which will require proof and cooperation from the accused spammer). If the site doesn't look spammy we will obviously do more research into the spam before we chongq them. We don't chongq sites without doing at least a bit of investigation. Thats why there is so much stuff on the SpamReport page that hasn't been dealt with yet. – Joe